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> <channel><title>Comments on: Urumqi ethnic conflict and failure of the Chinese justice system</title> <atom:link href="http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/07/12/urumqi-ethnic-conflict-and-failure-of-the-chinese-justice-system/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/07/12/urumqi-ethnic-conflict-and-failure-of-the-chinese-justice-system/</link> <description>Economics, Politics and Public Policy in East Asia and the Pacific</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:23:14 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2</generator> <item><title>By: haveahacks</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/07/12/urumqi-ethnic-conflict-and-failure-of-the-chinese-justice-system/comment-page-1/#comment-83509</link> <dc:creator>haveahacks</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:55:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=5683#comment-83509</guid> <description>&quot;lament the loss of a world that existed before 1989&quot; What&#039;s the significance of 1989 in this context ? The tragedy at Tiananmen square or a more local incident ?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;lament the loss of a world that existed before 1989&#8243; What&#8217;s the significance of 1989 in this context ? The tragedy at Tiananmen square or a more local incident ?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lilong Li</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/07/12/urumqi-ethnic-conflict-and-failure-of-the-chinese-justice-system/comment-page-1/#comment-44097</link> <dc:creator>Lilong Li</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:15:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=5683#comment-44097</guid> <description>Although I won&#039;t fully trust the Chinese government&#039;s voice and the reports coming from the media that&#039;s heavily influenced (or may we say &quot;controlled&quot;) by the government, I do have doubts about whether the incident was a spontaneous riot escalated from peaceful public demonstration, or it was a planned mass killing. I tend to believe that the latter was the case. It&#039;s hard for me to swallow that the animosity between the Han and the Uighur has been brewing to such an extent that such brutal, mindless killings are warranted. Also, from the recounts of the witnesses, the killings were carried out with tactics and in a somewhat organized fashion.
Whatever the case was, it was a terrible and tragic event. Ordinary people were beaten to death en masse on the streets and in the alleys. People in Xinjiang, Han and Uighurs alike, are left with the consequences. It may be a wake-up call for China, but after the sentiment subsides, I bet the government will quietly introduce new measures, and they won&#039;t look pretty for the Uighur population.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I won&#8217;t fully trust the Chinese government&#8217;s voice and the reports coming from the media that&#8217;s heavily influenced (or may we say &#8220;controlled&#8221;) by the government, I do have doubts about whether the incident was a spontaneous riot escalated from peaceful public demonstration, or it was a planned mass killing. I tend to believe that the latter was the case. It&#8217;s hard for me to swallow that the animosity between the Han and the Uighur has been brewing to such an extent that such brutal, mindless killings are warranted. Also, from the recounts of the witnesses, the killings were carried out with tactics and in a somewhat organized fashion.</p><p>Whatever the case was, it was a terrible and tragic event. Ordinary people were beaten to death en masse on the streets and in the alleys. People in Xinjiang, Han and Uighurs alike, are left with the consequences. It may be a wake-up call for China, but after the sentiment subsides, I bet the government will quietly introduce new measures, and they won&#8217;t look pretty for the Uighur population.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jing Zhao</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/07/12/urumqi-ethnic-conflict-and-failure-of-the-chinese-justice-system/comment-page-1/#comment-41552</link> <dc:creator>Jing Zhao</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:47:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=5683#comment-41552</guid> <description>I think the problem is China&#039;s political system.
Yesterday Mr. Wang Lixiong asked me to sign an appeal for the release of Professor Hamu Yili, and I signed with more than one hundred Han people. You can read the letter in Chinese at http://news.boxun.com/news/gb/china/2009/07/200907132133.shtml. The letter also has a very good article by Mr. Huang Zhangjin. Hamu&#039;s aid in Beijing.
Jing Zhao, CPRI, USA</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem is China&#8217;s political system.<br
/> Yesterday Mr. Wang Lixiong asked me to sign an appeal for the release of Professor Hamu Yili, and I signed with more than one hundred Han people. You can read the letter in Chinese at <a
href="http://news.boxun.com/news/gb/china/2009/07/200907132133.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://news.boxun.com/news/gb/china/2009/07/200907132133.shtml</a>. The letter also has a very good article by Mr. Huang Zhangjin. Hamu&#8217;s aid in Beijing.<br
/> Jing Zhao, CPRI, USA</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lincoln Fung</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/07/12/urumqi-ethnic-conflict-and-failure-of-the-chinese-justice-system/comment-page-1/#comment-41123</link> <dc:creator>Lincoln Fung</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:57:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=5683#comment-41123</guid> <description> As an ethnic Han Chinese, my perspective on the riot in Xinjiang may subject to some natural biases. My understanding is that the history of ethnic issues in China has generally been better since the establishment of the People&#039;s Republic of China.
While the Chinese Communists, like most other communists, may have had strong ideological outlook in the past in terms of capitalism and socialism/communism systems or &quot;classes&quot;, they have not been racists, at least inside China. To the contrary, they have treated ethnic minorities more favourably, given them special privileges.
For example, the Chinese family planning system has allowed only one child for Han people, but this one child policy has not applied to most ethnic minority groups. Just think about how important family continuation is for anyone, especially the Chinese, one would come to realise how special and favourable the policy has been to ethnic minorities in China.
Problems like inequality and conflicts exist in every societies and countries. The main differences are how they manifest themselves. For example, in Australia the Indigenous people suffer great disadvantages, as the recent report from the Productivity Commission shows. They not only range from extremely low income, but also to low life expectancy, dozens times of imprison rates compared to other Australians. This inequality should be much worse than the inequality in China between different ethnic groups.
China’s inequality is largely of a regional nature, as compared to ethnic nature. China has stated itself that there are three broad regions, the Eastern, the Middle and the Western regions in terms of development, with the Eastern region the most developed and the Western the least. It happens that most ethnic Uyghurs live in Xinjiang and most ethnic Tibetans live in Tibet and those two regions are all in the Western region and are relatively poor among many  provinces in China, although my understanding is that the situations in Xinjiang are certainly better than those in Tibet.
People can fight even among own families, like between brothers and sisters, parents and children. They can fight between different families of the same ethnic group. They may fight between different local regions. Anything can happen there.
The situation can be very different if potential separation of regions is involved. Most Chinese naturally don’t like the idea to give away any territories. For example, many people resent the fact that Mongolia (Chinese say the Outer Mongolia, because there is an Inner Mongolia in China) was allowed to be independent and the Chinese Communists accepted that.
Others may like to see it in ethnic terms. But mostly, seeing it in ethnic terms is likely to beat up the matter and distort the fact.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an ethnic Han Chinese, my perspective on the riot in Xinjiang may subject to some natural biases. My understanding is that the history of ethnic issues in China has generally been better since the establishment of the People&#8217;s Republic of China.</p><p>While the Chinese Communists, like most other communists, may have had strong ideological outlook in the past in terms of capitalism and socialism/communism systems or &#8220;classes&#8221;, they have not been racists, at least inside China. To the contrary, they have treated ethnic minorities more favourably, given them special privileges.</p><p>For example, the Chinese family planning system has allowed only one child for Han people, but this one child policy has not applied to most ethnic minority groups. Just think about how important family continuation is for anyone, especially the Chinese, one would come to realise how special and favourable the policy has been to ethnic minorities in China.</p><p>Problems like inequality and conflicts exist in every societies and countries. The main differences are how they manifest themselves. For example, in Australia the Indigenous people suffer great disadvantages, as the recent report from the Productivity Commission shows. They not only range from extremely low income, but also to low life expectancy, dozens times of imprison rates compared to other Australians. This inequality should be much worse than the inequality in China between different ethnic groups.</p><p>China’s inequality is largely of a regional nature, as compared to ethnic nature. China has stated itself that there are three broad regions, the Eastern, the Middle and the Western regions in terms of development, with the Eastern region the most developed and the Western the least. It happens that most ethnic Uyghurs live in Xinjiang and most ethnic Tibetans live in Tibet and those two regions are all in the Western region and are relatively poor among many  provinces in China, although my understanding is that the situations in Xinjiang are certainly better than those in Tibet.</p><p>People can fight even among own families, like between brothers and sisters, parents and children. They can fight between different families of the same ethnic group. They may fight between different local regions. Anything can happen there.</p><p>The situation can be very different if potential separation of regions is involved. Most Chinese naturally don’t like the idea to give away any territories. For example, many people resent the fact that Mongolia (Chinese say the Outer Mongolia, because there is an Inner Mongolia in China) was allowed to be independent and the Chinese Communists accepted that.</p><p>Others may like to see it in ethnic terms. But mostly, seeing it in ethnic terms is likely to beat up the matter and distort the fact.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
