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> <channel><title>Comments on: Hatoyama&#8217;s East Asia Community and regional leadership rivalries</title> <atom:link href="http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/10/13/hatoyamas-east-asia-community/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/10/13/hatoyamas-east-asia-community/</link> <description>Economics, Politics and Public Policy in East Asia and the Pacific</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:28:35 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2</generator> <item><title>By: Joel Rathus</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/10/13/hatoyamas-east-asia-community/comment-page-1/#comment-68603</link> <dc:creator>Joel Rathus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:03:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=7447#comment-68603</guid> <description>Interesting discussions. Linking back to what I had said, I would like to draw out some points.
Firstly, the ‘great game’, and secondly regionalism.
Great game. I had said that “movement towards an EAC must be understood as game played between the great powers, China and the US.” And, quite correctly, you have pointed out that it is a game played principally between Japan and China.
But my point is that while it is a negotiation between Japan and China about the terms on which they might jointly lead in Asia, for the purposes of predicting developments in EAC, the US factor matters. The whole EAC is essentially a response to US neglect during the Bush era, and a resurgent US in Asia under Barack might just take the wind out the sails of the EAC. Although, the current Futenma problems counts against this.
Essentially, if the US proves too difficult, then Japan will go to China and request terms.
Regarding regionalism, my specific goal was to forecast ‘no change’ for the EAC – despite the unusually specific talk of EAC at the trilateral summit. Now, some might think that the Trilateral Summit is an inappropriate place for East Asian Regionalism to begin, because ASEAN and others should be involved in the process from outset.
But if we look at how real regionalism is actually conducted, there is normally a core of strong states who cooperate first. Their leadership brings others in. For East Asia, the strong states to be the core are China and Japan (lesser extent Korea, which would be inexorably drawn in almost regardless) – who meet sub-regionally at this Trilateral Summit. If deep East Asian regionalism is going to occur, I imagine the Trilateral Summit will play that leading role – regardless of what ASEAN thinks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussions. Linking back to what I had said, I would like to draw out some points.</p><p>Firstly, the ‘great game’, and secondly regionalism.</p><p>Great game. I had said that “movement towards an EAC must be understood as game played between the great powers, China and the US.” And, quite correctly, you have pointed out that it is a game played principally between Japan and China.</p><p>But my point is that while it is a negotiation between Japan and China about the terms on which they might jointly lead in Asia, for the purposes of predicting developments in EAC, the US factor matters. The whole EAC is essentially a response to US neglect during the Bush era, and a resurgent US in Asia under Barack might just take the wind out the sails of the EAC. Although, the current Futenma problems counts against this.</p><p>Essentially, if the US proves too difficult, then Japan will go to China and request terms.</p><p>Regarding regionalism, my specific goal was to forecast ‘no change’ for the EAC – despite the unusually specific talk of EAC at the trilateral summit. Now, some might think that the Trilateral Summit is an inappropriate place for East Asian Regionalism to begin, because ASEAN and others should be involved in the process from outset.</p><p>But if we look at how real regionalism is actually conducted, there is normally a core of strong states who cooperate first. Their leadership brings others in. For East Asia, the strong states to be the core are China and Japan (lesser extent Korea, which would be inexorably drawn in almost regardless) – who meet sub-regionally at this Trilateral Summit. If deep East Asian regionalism is going to occur, I imagine the Trilateral Summit will play that leading role – regardless of what ASEAN thinks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aurelia George Mulgan</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/10/13/hatoyamas-east-asia-community/comment-page-1/#comment-67254</link> <dc:creator>Aurelia George Mulgan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:45:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=7447#comment-67254</guid> <description>Lincoln Fung says: &quot;It is interesting that why an East Asian community should include non-East Asian nations to begin with&quot; - for the same reason, I guess, that the &#039;East Asia&#039; Summit includes India, Australia and New Zealand, none of which is geographically located in East Asia. The nomenclature has a lot to do with the original starting points of and initiatives for the formation of these groupings - in East Asian countries - and the terminology also aligns with the centrality of ASEAN to these bodies. &#039;Asia-Pacific&#039; on the other hand usually refers to East Asia AND the United States. The question of whether the prospective EAC embodies &#039;open regionalism&#039; (code for including the United States) remains to be seen.
China&#039;s strategic advantages in delaying the formation of an EAC are patently obvious, but neither Japan nor China would benefit from delaying an East Asia Community economically. For Japan, the EAC is important for its domestic economic growth prospects. As a senior METI official put it, &quot;We need to think of Asia as our &#039;jun naijuu&#039; (semi-domestic demand/market) [courtesy of Jerry Curtis&#039; speech to the Foreign Correspondents&#039; Club of Japan]. The question for prospective East Asian participants in an ASEAN+3 grouping or an ASEAN+6 grouping is whether they want to participate in a &#039;community&#039; that is dominated by China or not. One of the EU&#039;s secrets of success is the fact that no one power dominates the group.
As for the G2, the question here is whether it actually exists as an axis of cooperation, and whether it could deal with anything more than bilateral issues without having to enlist the cooperation of other powers. Currently the G2 seems to have taken a back seat to the G20.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lincoln Fung says: &#8220;It is interesting that why an East Asian community should include non-East Asian nations to begin with&#8221; &#8211; for the same reason, I guess, that the &#8216;East Asia&#8217; Summit includes India, Australia and New Zealand, none of which is geographically located in East Asia. The nomenclature has a lot to do with the original starting points of and initiatives for the formation of these groupings &#8211; in East Asian countries &#8211; and the terminology also aligns with the centrality of ASEAN to these bodies. &#8216;Asia-Pacific&#8217; on the other hand usually refers to East Asia AND the United States. The question of whether the prospective EAC embodies &#8216;open regionalism&#8217; (code for including the United States) remains to be seen.</p><p>China&#8217;s strategic advantages in delaying the formation of an EAC are patently obvious, but neither Japan nor China would benefit from delaying an East Asia Community economically. For Japan, the EAC is important for its domestic economic growth prospects. As a senior METI official put it, &#8220;We need to think of Asia as our &#8216;jun naijuu&#8217; (semi-domestic demand/market) [courtesy of Jerry Curtis' speech to the Foreign Correspondents' Club of Japan]. The question for prospective East Asian participants in an ASEAN+3 grouping or an ASEAN+6 grouping is whether they want to participate in a &#8216;community&#8217; that is dominated by China or not. One of the EU&#8217;s secrets of success is the fact that no one power dominates the group.</p><p>As for the G2, the question here is whether it actually exists as an axis of cooperation, and whether it could deal with anything more than bilateral issues without having to enlist the cooperation of other powers. Currently the G2 seems to have taken a back seat to the G20.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lincoln Fung</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/10/13/hatoyamas-east-asia-community/comment-page-1/#comment-67228</link> <dc:creator>Lincoln Fung</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:14:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=7447#comment-67228</guid> <description>A couple of comments.
First, it is interesting that why an East Asian community should include non-East Asian nations to begin with. If it is open regionalism, why should it be called East Asian as opposed to Asian community?
Secondly, from a strategic point of view, it would be interesting to see which, Japan or China, will benefit from delaying an East Asian Community. This is especially pertinent in the context of the so called G2 potentially. In that context, there is no middle powers represented.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of comments.<br
/> First, it is interesting that why an East Asian community should include non-East Asian nations to begin with. If it is open regionalism, why should it be called East Asian as opposed to Asian community?<br
/> Secondly, from a strategic point of view, it would be interesting to see which, Japan or China, will benefit from delaying an East Asian Community. This is especially pertinent in the context of the so called G2 potentially. In that context, there is no middle powers represented.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
