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> <channel><title>Comments for East Asia Forum</title> <atom:link href="http://www.eastasiaforum.org/comments/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org</link> <description>Economics, Politics and Public Policy in East Asia and the Pacific</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 23:02:03 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2</generator> <item><title>Comment on 50 years on, what do we know about Tibet? by Anonymous</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/03/16/50-years-on-what-do-we-know-about-tibet/comment-page-1/#comment-1217601</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 23:02:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=2689#comment-1217601</guid> <description>The author doesn&#039;t even know that Chinese occupied Tibet and that Tibet was an independent country with their own postal system, currency, National Flag and anthem, a distinct race and geographical area and made treaties with many countries including its current occupier.
The author doesn&#039;t even know the Tibetan Prefectures and counties are manufactured by the commies in the 1960&#039;s with Chinese names. Prior to that there were no Chinese equivalent names to the Tibetan regions.
You said, &quot;Unfortunately, for Western audiences, journalists go weak at the knees when it comes to the Dalai Lama or Tibet.&quot; You are wrong; it&#039;s not the journalists but the academicians who go weak at the knees of Chinese govt for a chance to do research trips to China popularly known as &quot;guanxi access.&quot;
You also said, &quot;When journalists write about the ‘Tibetan cause’ they are typically writing about the Tibetan exile cause.&quot; You are right, journalists do not have access to go to Tibet. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author doesn&#8217;t even know that Chinese occupied Tibet and that Tibet was an independent country with their own postal system, currency, National Flag and anthem, a distinct race and geographical area and made treaties with many countries including its current occupier.</p><p>The author doesn&#8217;t even know the Tibetan Prefectures and counties are manufactured by the commies in the 1960&#8242;s with Chinese names. Prior to that there were no Chinese equivalent names to the Tibetan regions.</p><p>You said, &#8220;Unfortunately, for Western audiences, journalists go weak at the knees when it comes to the Dalai Lama or Tibet.&#8221; You are wrong; it&#8217;s not the journalists but the academicians who go weak at the knees of Chinese govt for a chance to do research trips to China popularly known as &#8220;guanxi access.&#8221;</p><p>You also said, &#8220;When journalists write about the ‘Tibetan cause’ they are typically writing about the Tibetan exile cause.&#8221; You are right, journalists do not have access to go to Tibet.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Tibet, cynical Sinicism and the tragedy of self-immolations by andy</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2012/05/09/tibet-cynical-sinicism-and-the-tragedy-of-self-immolations/comment-page-1/#comment-1216447</link> <dc:creator>andy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 04:04:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=26267#comment-1216447</guid> <description>Thank you very much for your reply.
(1)	To call China a colonizer in Tibet is deeply misrepresenting the situation. First a colonizer treats the colonized as second-class citizens. Quite the opposite, as We Ling rightly points out, Tibetan ethnics enjoy many preferential policies than the Hans. I challenge Professor Sloane to provide a single case in the history when/where a colonizer had given the ‘colonized’ superior treatment to its own citizens. Second, the ‘Great Leap Forward’ and ‘Cultural Revolution’ were not ethnic policies targeted at the Tibetans alone. People were humiliated, beaten or starved to death, and monasteries were destroyed, not just in Tibet, but all over China.  These were disastrous national movements, not discriminatory ethnic policies.
(2)	You hold a double standard when you use illegal and immoral inter-changeably to your convenience. You agree that the European colonialism is morally abhorrent, but you are willing to accept its legitimacy, just because it happened before the UN Charter. On the other hand you accuse China also for its immoral conducts, and you reject its legitimacy just because it happened after the UN Charter. For me this is purely arbitrary. What is immoral stays immoral, however what is illegitimate is subject to revision. If international law vests all human beings, without distinction, why do you establish a distinction in time before and after the UN Charter?
(3)	It is a typical stereotype that the transfers have been to the Han Chinese. I have visited Tibet and I saw with my own eyes that the government has built houses for Tibetan peasants and nomads. I have not seen government provided housing for the Han Chinese. Moreover, the government has built roads, railways, and is building electricity transmission networks. These have brought immense opportunities for all the Tibetan people, regardless of their ethnic background.
(4)	China is a cultural definition. Historically, many ethnic minorities (Xianbei , NvZhen, Mongol, Jin and etc.) have ruled the land that is called China. However no matter who ruled, there was strong desire to unify this vast land which is relatively isolated from the rest of the world, and there was also strong desire to embrace the diverse Chinese culture. However distinct the culture each of the minorities might have, they are nevertheless part of the Chinese culture. Unlike Europe, the definition of China is not based on blood; rather it is based on culture. Not an excludive culture, but an embracing culture.
(5)	To clarify my final point: law is a means to promote justice, peace, prosperity and liberty. Law is not a means in itself. Neither is democracy a means to itself. Like in Tibet, dissent is not rare anywhere in China. The Chinese people are not born with the privilege of living in a rich and free democratic society. However many of miseries are down to China’s unique blend of cultural, geographical and economical legacies. Trying to exogenously impose any form of law or ideology is dangerous. History has proven for China that imposing naïve communist ideology was not the solution, as history has proven for many other developing countries that the Washington Consensus was not the magic pill. If you only look at human right in its narrow dimensions, such as law and democracy, you miss out the larger dimensions such as peace, prosperity and liberty. Willingly or unwilling, the single part rule is a fact that you have to accept at this historical moment, admittedly there are many immediate undesirable consequences with this acceptance and it is not sustainable in the long run. To sacrifice some freedom in the narrow sense and to embrace economic freedom and to grow out of poverty is the Faustian Bargain that the Chinese people and the Communist Part have stricken. It is the historical force right now; it should not be derailed by any narrow minded criticisms. Similarly, there is no viable political alternative than Chinese rule in Tibet at the moment. Notwithstanding the differences, Tibet has every right to jump onto China’s development bandwagon, rather than disputing endlessly its sovereignty.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for your reply.<br
/> (1)	To call China a colonizer in Tibet is deeply misrepresenting the situation. First a colonizer treats the colonized as second-class citizens. Quite the opposite, as We Ling rightly points out, Tibetan ethnics enjoy many preferential policies than the Hans. I challenge Professor Sloane to provide a single case in the history when/where a colonizer had given the ‘colonized’ superior treatment to its own citizens. Second, the ‘Great Leap Forward’ and ‘Cultural Revolution’ were not ethnic policies targeted at the Tibetans alone. People were humiliated, beaten or starved to death, and monasteries were destroyed, not just in Tibet, but all over China.  These were disastrous national movements, not discriminatory ethnic policies.<br
/> (2)	You hold a double standard when you use illegal and immoral inter-changeably to your convenience. You agree that the European colonialism is morally abhorrent, but you are willing to accept its legitimacy, just because it happened before the UN Charter. On the other hand you accuse China also for its immoral conducts, and you reject its legitimacy just because it happened after the UN Charter. For me this is purely arbitrary. What is immoral stays immoral, however what is illegitimate is subject to revision. If international law vests all human beings, without distinction, why do you establish a distinction in time before and after the UN Charter?<br
/> (3)	It is a typical stereotype that the transfers have been to the Han Chinese. I have visited Tibet and I saw with my own eyes that the government has built houses for Tibetan peasants and nomads. I have not seen government provided housing for the Han Chinese. Moreover, the government has built roads, railways, and is building electricity transmission networks. These have brought immense opportunities for all the Tibetan people, regardless of their ethnic background.<br
/> (4)	China is a cultural definition. Historically, many ethnic minorities (Xianbei , NvZhen, Mongol, Jin and etc.) have ruled the land that is called China. However no matter who ruled, there was strong desire to unify this vast land which is relatively isolated from the rest of the world, and there was also strong desire to embrace the diverse Chinese culture. However distinct the culture each of the minorities might have, they are nevertheless part of the Chinese culture. Unlike Europe, the definition of China is not based on blood; rather it is based on culture. Not an excludive culture, but an embracing culture.<br
/> (5)	To clarify my final point: law is a means to promote justice, peace, prosperity and liberty. Law is not a means in itself. Neither is democracy a means to itself. Like in Tibet, dissent is not rare anywhere in China. The Chinese people are not born with the privilege of living in a rich and free democratic society. However many of miseries are down to China’s unique blend of cultural, geographical and economical legacies. Trying to exogenously impose any form of law or ideology is dangerous. History has proven for China that imposing naïve communist ideology was not the solution, as history has proven for many other developing countries that the Washington Consensus was not the magic pill. If you only look at human right in its narrow dimensions, such as law and democracy, you miss out the larger dimensions such as peace, prosperity and liberty. Willingly or unwilling, the single part rule is a fact that you have to accept at this historical moment, admittedly there are many immediate undesirable consequences with this acceptance and it is not sustainable in the long run. To sacrifice some freedom in the narrow sense and to embrace economic freedom and to grow out of poverty is the Faustian Bargain that the Chinese people and the Communist Part have stricken. It is the historical force right now; it should not be derailed by any narrow minded criticisms. Similarly, there is no viable political alternative than Chinese rule in Tibet at the moment. Notwithstanding the differences, Tibet has every right to jump onto China’s development bandwagon, rather than disputing endlessly its sovereignty.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Toward a functional Chiang Mai Initiative by David Arase</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2012/05/15/toward-a-functional-chiang-mai-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-1216398</link> <dc:creator>David Arase</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 02:40:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=26377#comment-1216398</guid> <description>Didn&#039;t CMMI get doubled in size with relaxed IMF linkage conditions at the ADB meeting earlier this month?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t CMMI get doubled in size with relaxed IMF linkage conditions at the ADB meeting earlier this month?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Tibet, cynical Sinicism and the tragedy of self-immolations by melektaus</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2012/05/09/tibet-cynical-sinicism-and-the-tragedy-of-self-immolations/comment-page-1/#comment-1216305</link> <dc:creator>melektaus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 22:46:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=26267#comment-1216305</guid> <description>Sloane provides no evidence to counter any of Sautman&#039;s well researched article. Sloane is merely peddling the old slanderous tropes packaged in a wandering screed.
China has not and does not &quot;occupy&quot; Tibet. That much is crystal clear under international law. It is not the US in Iraq nor the US in Afghanistan nor Israel in Palestine. Every country recognizes China&#039;s claim over Tibet. Even The Tibetan government in exile recognizes it and always has since they signed the 17-point.
China is not colonizing Tibet. Anyone who has been to Tibet will tell you that. Anyone that knows what colonization means will tell you that.
China does not systematically discriminate against Tibetans. There is no law in China that singles out Tibetans for ethnic or religious discrimination. Sautman was again, correct, and Sloane left with a lie.
Sloane gets both big and small facts wrong here.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sloane provides no evidence to counter any of Sautman&#8217;s well researched article. Sloane is merely peddling the old slanderous tropes packaged in a wandering screed.</p><p>China has not and does not &#8220;occupy&#8221; Tibet. That much is crystal clear under international law. It is not the US in Iraq nor the US in Afghanistan nor Israel in Palestine. Every country recognizes China&#8217;s claim over Tibet. Even The Tibetan government in exile recognizes it and always has since they signed the 17-point.</p><p>China is not colonizing Tibet. Anyone who has been to Tibet will tell you that. Anyone that knows what colonization means will tell you that.</p><p>China does not systematically discriminate against Tibetans. There is no law in China that singles out Tibetans for ethnic or religious discrimination. Sautman was again, correct, and Sloane left with a lie.</p><p>Sloane gets both big and small facts wrong here.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Tibet, cynical Sinicism and the tragedy of self-immolations by Robert D. Sloane</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2012/05/09/tibet-cynical-sinicism-and-the-tragedy-of-self-immolations/comment-page-1/#comment-1215560</link> <dc:creator>Robert D. Sloane</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 19:14:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=26267#comment-1215560</guid> <description>(1) Your first &quot;serious&quot; paragraph (i.e., &quot;Joking aside, . . .) illustrates the point in a particularly helpful way. You say that Tibet would be like medieval Europe without China&#039;s magnanimous &quot;rule.&quot; That&#039;s precisely the attitude of the colonizer toward the colonized. The tacit premise is that those backward, medieval Tibetans could never have gotten their national house in order if China had not occupied and illegally annexed Tibet. They needed the Chinese &quot;Motherland&quot; to come in and impose its more advanced civilization on Tibetans - by force if necessary (and somehow it always is with colonization). Millions of Tibetans have died as a consequence of China&#039;s colonial policies in Tibet, from its misguided &quot;Great Leap Forward,&quot; in which hundreds of thousands of Tibetan peasants starved to death, in part because China ignorantly forced them to try to grow rice instead of their native barley, to the &quot;Cultural Revolution,&quot; in which China&#039;s red army of thugs - in the name of modernity - killed, beat, and tortured hundreds of thousands of Tibetans and destroyed their monasteries and cultural artifacts on a scale that&#039;s difficult to overstate.
(2) No, there&#039;s no double standard. Please respond to what I wrote, not to your stereotypes. This is a standard line of China apologists for Tibet&#039;s illegal annexation: tu quoque, &quot;you did it, too.&quot; Yes, that&#039;s true: the United States has indeed been guilty of colonialism, particularly in and after the Spanish-American War of 1898, and of worse conduct. The United States (and Europeans before that), to take the example you raise, carried out what is today recognized as the slow genocide of Native Americans over the course of several centuries. More broadly, Europeans spent some four centuries colonizing the whole world in the name of what they regarded as their more advanced civilization. Nowhere in my article did I defend these or similar actions. Nor would I. But today most people recognize that such conduct is morally abhorrent. Regardless, since the UN Charter, to which China is an original party, the use of military force to annex territory has been illegal under international law.
International human rights law vests all human beings, without distinction, with protections against arbitrary state action and abuse. That&#039;s the standard; there&#039;s nothing &quot;double&quot; about it.
(3) The wealth transfers have been to the colonizers, that is, to Han settlers who have been incentivized to resettle in Tibet by the PRC&#039;s policies. Tibetan nomads and peasants remain some of the poorest people on the planet.
(4) History: How far back shall we go? Is China &quot;part of&quot; Mongolia because the Mongol Empire ruled China for centuries (far longer, incidentally, than China ever ruled Tibet in the pre-1949 period of recorded history)? Of course not. The contemporary law of self-determination allows all &quot;peoples&quot; to decide their own political destiny. The Han (Chinese) people certainly have that right under contemporary international law. So do the Tibetan people. China should allow them to exercise it freely.
(5) Third paragraph: Please go back and read what I wrote. I didn&#039;t say that &quot;I&quot; find it difficult to fathom what could lead to these tragic self-immolations. I said that it&#039;s probable that others would, and I tried to explain why it&#039;s not satisfactory to ascribe 36 self-immolations to &quot;suicide politics,&quot; as your remarks - again - aptly illustrate.
(6) There is a difference between understanding and justification. I wrote that I neither condemn nor condone the self-immolations; only that we need to understand them accurately. As for 9/11, the comparison is bizarre. But no, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s difficult to understand what the 9/11 terrorists believed; in that case, too, it would be a grave error to suppose that the attacks were &quot;irrational.&quot; Like most human actions, there&#039;s a means-end rationality even to catastrophic terrorism of the sort represented by 9/11. But that&#039;s very different from saying that the attacks were justified, which, needless to say, I do not believe.
(7) I addressed the final paragraph earlier. In short, it imputes views to me that I do not hold and amounts to no more than &quot;tu quoque,&quot; which is, neither morally nor legally, satisfactory. The last sentence, however, is unclear. To what &quot;alternative morality&quot; do you refer? What &quot;complicated tasks&quot; am I unable to comprehend? I would guess that this is a thinly veiled -- and tellingly vague --justification for China&#039;s continuing colonial administration of Tibet. But I leave that for you to clarify if you wish or for others to decide for themselves - hopefully by reading what you wrote.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) Your first &#8220;serious&#8221; paragraph (i.e., &#8220;Joking aside, . . .) illustrates the point in a particularly helpful way. You say that Tibet would be like medieval Europe without China&#8217;s magnanimous &#8220;rule.&#8221; That&#8217;s precisely the attitude of the colonizer toward the colonized. The tacit premise is that those backward, medieval Tibetans could never have gotten their national house in order if China had not occupied and illegally annexed Tibet. They needed the Chinese &#8220;Motherland&#8221; to come in and impose its more advanced civilization on Tibetans &#8211; by force if necessary (and somehow it always is with colonization). Millions of Tibetans have died as a consequence of China&#8217;s colonial policies in Tibet, from its misguided &#8220;Great Leap Forward,&#8221; in which hundreds of thousands of Tibetan peasants starved to death, in part because China ignorantly forced them to try to grow rice instead of their native barley, to the &#8220;Cultural Revolution,&#8221; in which China&#8217;s red army of thugs &#8211; in the name of modernity &#8211; killed, beat, and tortured hundreds of thousands of Tibetans and destroyed their monasteries and cultural artifacts on a scale that&#8217;s difficult to overstate.</p><p>(2) No, there&#8217;s no double standard. Please respond to what I wrote, not to your stereotypes. This is a standard line of China apologists for Tibet&#8217;s illegal annexation: tu quoque, &#8220;you did it, too.&#8221; Yes, that&#8217;s true: the United States has indeed been guilty of colonialism, particularly in and after the Spanish-American War of 1898, and of worse conduct. The United States (and Europeans before that), to take the example you raise, carried out what is today recognized as the slow genocide of Native Americans over the course of several centuries. More broadly, Europeans spent some four centuries colonizing the whole world in the name of what they regarded as their more advanced civilization. Nowhere in my article did I defend these or similar actions. Nor would I. But today most people recognize that such conduct is morally abhorrent. Regardless, since the UN Charter, to which China is an original party, the use of military force to annex territory has been illegal under international law.</p><p>International human rights law vests all human beings, without distinction, with protections against arbitrary state action and abuse. That&#8217;s the standard; there&#8217;s nothing &#8220;double&#8221; about it.</p><p>(3) The wealth transfers have been to the colonizers, that is, to Han settlers who have been incentivized to resettle in Tibet by the PRC&#8217;s policies. Tibetan nomads and peasants remain some of the poorest people on the planet.</p><p>(4) History: How far back shall we go? Is China &#8220;part of&#8221; Mongolia because the Mongol Empire ruled China for centuries (far longer, incidentally, than China ever ruled Tibet in the pre-1949 period of recorded history)? Of course not. The contemporary law of self-determination allows all &#8220;peoples&#8221; to decide their own political destiny. The Han (Chinese) people certainly have that right under contemporary international law. So do the Tibetan people. China should allow them to exercise it freely.</p><p>(5) Third paragraph: Please go back and read what I wrote. I didn&#8217;t say that &#8220;I&#8221; find it difficult to fathom what could lead to these tragic self-immolations. I said that it&#8217;s probable that others would, and I tried to explain why it&#8217;s not satisfactory to ascribe 36 self-immolations to &#8220;suicide politics,&#8221; as your remarks &#8211; again &#8211; aptly illustrate.</p><p>(6) There is a difference between understanding and justification. I wrote that I neither condemn nor condone the self-immolations; only that we need to understand them accurately. As for 9/11, the comparison is bizarre. But no, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s difficult to understand what the 9/11 terrorists believed; in that case, too, it would be a grave error to suppose that the attacks were &#8220;irrational.&#8221; Like most human actions, there&#8217;s a means-end rationality even to catastrophic terrorism of the sort represented by 9/11. But that&#8217;s very different from saying that the attacks were justified, which, needless to say, I do not believe.</p><p>(7) I addressed the final paragraph earlier. In short, it imputes views to me that I do not hold and amounts to no more than &#8220;tu quoque,&#8221; which is, neither morally nor legally, satisfactory. The last sentence, however, is unclear. To what &#8220;alternative morality&#8221; do you refer? What &#8220;complicated tasks&#8221; am I unable to comprehend? I would guess that this is a thinly veiled &#8212; and tellingly vague &#8211;justification for China&#8217;s continuing colonial administration of Tibet. But I leave that for you to clarify if you wish or for others to decide for themselves &#8211; hopefully by reading what you wrote.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Gridlocked: the uneven road to rule-of-law reform in Mongolia by TomasB</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2011/06/18/gridlocked-the-uneven-road-to-rule-of-law-reform-in-mongolia/comment-page-1/#comment-1215404</link> <dc:creator>TomasB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 10:33:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=19649#comment-1215404</guid> <description>Thank you for this short but pertinent analysis!
I hope and trust that the law-abiding Mongolians don&#039;t take it as an offence. To the contrary, my understanding is that the key issue are the ultimate (and mostly covert) goals of the (predominantly) corrupt ruling elite and the outside forces who created, or helped to create, the status quo.
What are the goals of the &quot;international donor community&quot; represented, among others, by the international financial organisations ( such as the IFC, EBRD, ADB, WB) and the USAID(s) of this world?
I&#039;d be interested in your view what can Mongolian citizens do themselves to change the status quo. As you correctly say, the ruling elite is not interested in it.
Thank you!
Tomas</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this short but pertinent analysis!<br
/> I hope and trust that the law-abiding Mongolians don&#8217;t take it as an offence. To the contrary, my understanding is that the key issue are the ultimate (and mostly covert) goals of the (predominantly) corrupt ruling elite and the outside forces who created, or helped to create, the status quo.<br
/> What are the goals of the &#8220;international donor community&#8221; represented, among others, by the international financial organisations ( such as the IFC, EBRD, ADB, WB) and the USAID(s) of this world?<br
/> I&#8217;d be interested in your view what can Mongolian citizens do themselves to change the status quo. As you correctly say, the ruling elite is not interested in it.<br
/> Thank you!<br
/> Tomas</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on ASEAN: a united front to tackle the South China Sea issue by Henry Nguyen</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2012/05/13/asean-a-united-front-to-tackle-the-south-china-sea-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-1215165</link> <dc:creator>Henry Nguyen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 04:40:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=26286#comment-1215165</guid> <description>The author neglected to mention that none of the SCS claimants, except for China, has used forces against each other and all are advocating the use of international laws/institutions such as UNCLOS to sort out disputed vs. non-disputed.... Additionally, ASEAN is divided not because its members view the potential conflict politically, differently but because China has pressured/influenced some of them to give in to short-term gains.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author neglected to mention that none of the SCS claimants, except for China, has used forces against each other and all are advocating the use of international laws/institutions such as UNCLOS to sort out disputed vs. non-disputed&#8230;. Additionally, ASEAN is divided not because its members view the potential conflict politically, differently but because China has pressured/influenced some of them to give in to short-term gains.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Tibet, cynical Sinicism and the tragedy of self-immolations by andy</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2012/05/09/tibet-cynical-sinicism-and-the-tragedy-of-self-immolations/comment-page-1/#comment-1214307</link> <dc:creator>andy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 09:55:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=26267#comment-1214307</guid> <description>If Kim Jong Eun of North Korea craves perpetual legitimacy he should promise his people that if they love him they will go to heaven after they die. If he can persuade his people to believe him, his southern cousins will never dare to overthrow him, because if they do, the international community will accuse them of &#039;undermining North Korea people&#039;s fundamental religious right&#039;.
Joking aside, if Tibet was not ruled by China, Tibet today would mirror medieval Europe. Just visit the Potala Palace, its lavishness is beyond anyone&#039;s wildest imagination. On the other hand, believe it or not, China has made huge transfers of wealth and investment to the region in consequence of which Tibetans today are living a much freer economic life. Under the rule of the Lamas the poor Tibetan peasants couldn&#039;t even secure basic food or shelter and economic freedom is also a unalienable human right.
It is ridiculous to link every suicide attempt to justified motives. If Professor Sloane finds it hard to
&#039;fathom what could lead people to douse themselves in gasoline and die agonizing deaths to make a political or moral statement,&#039; I wonder whether he finds it hard to fathom what could lead people to plan such a sophisticated and costly attack as &#039;9/11&#039; and fly their planes into the twin towers (mind you these perpetrators of 9/11 must have been well educated to hit the target!).
What is difficult to understand is how people hold such double standards. The American settlers invaded America and killed almost all Indians, but do you suggest that the Indians should take back their land now? Russia forcefully occupied a vast land in the Far East that used to belong to China, what is Russia&#039;s legitimacy over that land then? The argument that Sloane advances is simply like that of&#039;human right terrorists&#039;. It takes the high moral ground but cannot comprehend bringing to bear an alternative morality and the complicated tasks that applying that morality has at hand.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Kim Jong Eun of North Korea craves perpetual legitimacy he should promise his people that if they love him they will go to heaven after they die. If he can persuade his people to believe him, his southern cousins will never dare to overthrow him, because if they do, the international community will accuse them of &#8216;undermining North Korea people&#8217;s fundamental religious right&#8217;.</p><p>Joking aside, if Tibet was not ruled by China, Tibet today would mirror medieval Europe. Just visit the Potala Palace, its lavishness is beyond anyone&#8217;s wildest imagination. On the other hand, believe it or not, China has made huge transfers of wealth and investment to the region in consequence of which Tibetans today are living a much freer economic life. Under the rule of the Lamas the poor Tibetan peasants couldn&#8217;t even secure basic food or shelter and economic freedom is also a unalienable human right.</p><p>It is ridiculous to link every suicide attempt to justified motives. If Professor Sloane finds it hard to<br
/> &#8216;fathom what could lead people to douse themselves in gasoline and die agonizing deaths to make a political or moral statement,&#8217; I wonder whether he finds it hard to fathom what could lead people to plan such a sophisticated and costly attack as &#8217;9/11&#8242; and fly their planes into the twin towers (mind you these perpetrators of 9/11 must have been well educated to hit the target!).</p><p>What is difficult to understand is how people hold such double standards. The American settlers invaded America and killed almost all Indians, but do you suggest that the Indians should take back their land now? Russia forcefully occupied a vast land in the Far East that used to belong to China, what is Russia&#8217;s legitimacy over that land then? The argument that Sloane advances is simply like that of&#8217;human right terrorists&#8217;. It takes the high moral ground but cannot comprehend bringing to bear an alternative morality and the complicated tasks that applying that morality has at hand.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Afghanistan: post-2014 strategy and the regional framework by Navi</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2012/05/11/afghanistan-post-2014-strategy-and-the-regional-framework/comment-page-1/#comment-1213466</link> <dc:creator>Navi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 00:00:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=26303#comment-1213466</guid> <description>interesting article. In your view, how can Pakistan digest India&#039;s action of investment in Afghanistan&#039;s mineral and infrastructure development?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting article. In your view, how can Pakistan digest India&#8217;s action of investment in Afghanistan&#8217;s mineral and infrastructure development?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Is India’s Agni-V missile a game changer? by Vijay</title><link>http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2012/05/11/is-india-s-agni-v-missile-a-game-changer/comment-page-1/#comment-1212421</link> <dc:creator>Vijay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 09:41:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.eastasiaforum.org/?p=26301#comment-1212421</guid> <description>&quot;What deters a potential first striker is the unknown (and unknowable) risk of a nuclear reprisal — not the certainty of massive retaliation. It follows that the Agni-V, the much-anticipated submarine-launched ballistic missile, and planned multiple-warhead missiles are already redundant.&quot;
I agree. Nuclear ambiguity deters the enemy than nuclear certainty.  But The problem with India is, unlike Israel, it&#039;s a declared nuclear state. We cannot be ambiguous now.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What deters a potential first striker is the unknown (and unknowable) risk of a nuclear reprisal — not the certainty of massive retaliation. It follows that the Agni-V, the much-anticipated submarine-launched ballistic missile, and planned multiple-warhead missiles are already redundant.&#8221;</p><p>I agree. Nuclear ambiguity deters the enemy than nuclear certainty.  But The problem with India is, unlike Israel, it&#8217;s a declared nuclear state. We cannot be ambiguous now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
